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    English singing UTAU

    Post by LilliaDiamond on Sun Feb 28, 2010 1:43 pm

    I want my UTAU to sing good English any UTAUs that sing english so I can see what sounds to use?

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    Re: English singing UTAU

    Post by Guest on Sun Feb 28, 2010 2:19 pm

    I would record some consonant only sounds... here's the list I have for Luna in terms of english:
    r
    k
    l
    d
    t
    f
    and then record some english 'R' sounds, since japanese pronounce R like L or whatever.
    Then you might need some th sounds like
    tha
    thi
    thu
    the
    tho
    or whatever. It helps a bunch when trying to sing english.
    Also, you need the other vowel sound pronunciation, so like we already have japanese I, which sounds like the way you would say E, so, we need to record an ih sound.
    So when you try to make your utau sing 'Just Be Friends' or something, when singing 'It's all we gotta do, just be friends', it doesn't sound like 'EEts aa wi da da duu ja bi renz'
    and... thats all I got xD
    I hope this wasn't like... super super confusing. Dx
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    Re: English singing UTAU

    Post by Aisu on Sun Feb 28, 2010 2:39 pm

    Actually, I have a great full (diphone) list, I will put it up here once I get access to my comp. Which is tomorrow.
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    Re: English singing UTAU

    Post by annamaeblythe on Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:29 pm

    Don't just record consonant sounds (except for semiconsonants as l, m, n...)

    Vowels are the most important thing to focus on when wanting to sing English, to be honest.
    There are some vowels you just can't make with Japanese. However, once you get at least the vowels recorded by themselves, you can easily use overlap and envelope to make them blend in and work.
    It's kinda hard, but meh.

    I think I have Anaka's reclist (with a few English compatibility samples) posted somewhere.

    Most important are the V, Th, R/Ls, Fs, and Ws.

    I really believe that nothing much is needed to sing perfect English. However, a lot is needed to make it simple.
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    Re: English singing UTAU

    Post by Aisu on Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:43 am

    Here's the list, but I would only recommend it with a ready, full Japanese bank since many sounds can be filled with japanese ones.
    4 = "cat" [a]
    ^ = "kitten"/"kid" [i]
    # = "dog" [o]
    @ = "spud" [u]

    [r is pronounced with American pronunciation]

    ai' (Like in the word I... may be replaced by another symbol)
    4 k4 g4 s4 z4 t4 s4 h4 b4 p4 m4 n4 r4 y4 w4 th4 ch4 sh4
    ^ k^ g^ s^ z^ t^ d^ h^ b^ p^ m^ n^ r^ y^ w^ th^ ch^ sh^
    # k# g# s# z# t# d# h# b# p# m# n# r# y# w# th# ch# sh#
    @ k@ g@ s@ z@ t@ d@ h@ b@ p@ m@ n@ r@ y@ w@ th@ ch@ sh@
    tha thi thu the tho

    4s, 4z, 4b, 4d, 4f, 4g, 4j, 4k, 4l, 4m, 4n, 4p, 4r, 4t, 4v, 4th, 4ch, 4sh
    ^s, ^z, ^b, ^d, ^f, ^g, ^j, ^k, ^l, ^m, ^n, ^p, ^r, ^t, ^v, ^th, ^ch, ^sh
    #s, #z, #b, #d, #f, #g, #j, #k, #l, #m, #n, #p, #r, #t, #v, #th, #ch, #sh
    @s, @z, @b, @d, @f, @g, @j, @k, @l, @m, @n, @p, @r, @t, @v, @th, @ch, @sh
    es, ez, eb, ed, ef, eg, ej, ek, el, em, en, ep, er, et, ev, eth, ech, esh
    s, z, b, d, f, g, j, k, l, m, n, p, r, t, v, th, ch, sh

    ...there's probably more to it but this is pretty useful anyway. Also you can change the symbols or w/e xD
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    Re: English singing UTAU

    Post by xLei on Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:55 am

    HaloHeroine has a reclist for OREMO that uses English sounds o:
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    Re: English singing UTAU

    Post by Haloheroine on Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:00 pm

    I've personally updated that, actually. I'm currently Beta-ing it to see if it actually makes a difference.
    XD
    It seems to work fine. c: I'm missing a few things though, so I need to go through it again. "Wei" is missing, which is apparently vital (I've needed it so many times... it's rather bothersome using w/eI so many times)...
    But diphthong vowel combinations tend to work better by themselves, without the Consonant. The Otos are different to normal CVs, too.
    They're kinda like VCVs. You cut off most of the first Vowel, and leave the rest of the second vowel, so that the program has time to pronounce the whole "ai" instead of just "a-"... Unfortunately, you can't do this with a consonant in front of the diphthong, soo...
    We/eI tends to sound better anyway. My list requires a full Japanese voice bank to work properly, too. Some downsides, but it's easy to implement. OH! And you can just record the basic Vocaloid list from here and you can get understandable english: http://www.vocaloid-user.net/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=3

    You just need to be very good with UTAU and it's not exactly user friendly. XD It's fine if you're just going to use it, though.
    That list still isn't stand alone, though, and you need to rename some things that don't work in UTAU (Such as r and the capitals)

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