what dialect of japanese are our utaus singing in?

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    what dialect of japanese are our utaus singing in?

    Post by zin on Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:48 am

    just wondering is there a certain kind or not...

    i'm guessing Western Kanto, only because Tokyo is in the dialect area...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_dialects

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    Re: what dialect of japanese are our utaus singing in?

    Post by Guest on Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:52 am

    Dialect refers to a style of speaking.
    So we use any dialect.
    Japanese people pronounce all of their syllables the exact same; it's how they abbreviate words or what syllables they use for certain kanji that vary.

    The only language I can think of that distinctly uses a different pronunciation for dialects is Chinese, and even then that's only for intonations (which are lost in singing).
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    Re: what dialect of japanese are our utaus singing in?

    Post by vio. on Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:07 am

    Well, there's KansaiJin, but that's just pretty much using different wording that makes them seem, to somewhat of an equivalent to, our "southern" accent. I think Scarf said something about Kasui being KansaiJin xD;; I mean look at his ~speech~ but anyway.

    Just standard Japanese. With accent. Cause we are engrreshh.
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    Re: what dialect of japanese are our utaus singing in?

    Post by zin on Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:14 am

    just wondering because i know other languages, like english some of thier dialects are different, like most Californian english speakers don't distinguish between /ɔ/ and /ɑ/.

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    Re: what dialect of japanese are our utaus singing in?

    Post by Guest on Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:15 am

    No, we do. O.o
    And like I said, dialects rarely apply to pronunciation.
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    Re: what dialect of japanese are our utaus singing in?

    Post by Chasing Fireflies on Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:32 am

    Ohh! You mean accents, right? Well, I guess it would mostly depend on where the voicer is from.

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    Re: what dialect of japanese are our utaus singing in?

    Post by Guest on Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:33 am

    Yeah, if you mean accents, it depends on the country.

    Hana has a weird mix of American and Korean. More Korean, though, since I intentionally tried to channel my Korean self through her when recording her Japanese
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    Re: what dialect of japanese are our utaus singing in?

    Post by smeen on Fri Sep 24, 2010 4:44 am

    Yuugi has my weird dialect, whuch is a mix between Dutch, English and Arabic... And some Japanese.

    Let's call it smeenlish.
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    Re: what dialect of japanese are our utaus singing in?

    Post by R.K. on Fri Sep 24, 2010 3:42 pm

    English with small hints of a Queen's English dialect... ;w;
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    Re: what dialect of japanese are our utaus singing in?

    Post by MillyAqualine on Fri Sep 24, 2010 3:46 pm

    I don't know ._.

    Japanese...but I think they have a weak Japanese accent T_T
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    Re: what dialect of japanese are our utaus singing in?

    Post by Catarsis on Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:51 pm

    Spanish has a very similar pronunciation compairing with Japanese...so I guess Kata is like...standard Japanese with some Chilean hints?....XD

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    Re: what dialect of japanese are our utaus singing in?

    Post by Guest on Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:30 pm

    Indeed, Spanish has similar "r" sounds to Japanese.
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    Re: what dialect of japanese are our utaus singing in?

    Post by Catarsis on Sun Sep 26, 2010 1:09 am

    Aster Selene wrote:Indeed, Spanish has similar "r" sounds to Japanese.

    yeah, exactly ^^ the soft "r" is the similar one.
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    Re: what dialect of japanese are our utaus singing in?

    Post by MillyAqualine on Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:09 am

    And the "H" is like in English... T__T The most difficult sounds class for me ! x_x"
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    Re: what dialect of japanese are our utaus singing in?

    Post by Catarsis on Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:50 pm

    MillyAqualine wrote:And the "H" is like in English... T__T The most difficult sounds class for me ! x_x"

    yeah ^^ the Japanese "h" is the Spanish "j", but only in some countries. In Chile we don't pronounce the "j" like that.
    Japanese "h" can be compared with the Russian "х" because both are "aspirated"....I can't explain it well ^^;
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    Re: what dialect of japanese are our utaus singing in?

    Post by MillyAqualine on Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:55 pm

    Ah ok (anyway, I record also jota for Spanish sounds xD)
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    Re: what dialect of japanese are our utaus singing in?

    Post by 산쇼씨 (Sansyo-ssi) on Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:47 am

    ...I learned to pronounce japanese completely from Korean sounds. EVEd+

    あ = 아
    い = 이
    う = between 우 and 으
    え = either like 애 or 에
    お = 오 with the lips farther apart

    And the "z" consonant that japanese has that korean doesn't-- I pronounce it like a lazy ㅈ. ㅎvㅎ+

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    Re: what dialect of japanese are our utaus singing in?

    Post by Guest on Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:53 am

    I learned a lot of my pronunciation from Korean karaoke bars.
    When they play Japanese songs, they show a han'gul transliteration on top to match up.

    Notably, か is actually 까. I expected this, though.

    Something about つ and ち - are they the same as 투 and 티? I think they are. I'm not sure. I know ふ is the same as 후 though. However I see Korean transliterating it as 쭈 and 치 (at least in some cases). So it confuses me sometimes.

    (As a result of this, several phoenemes in Hana's bank are likely off.)
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    Re: what dialect of japanese are our utaus singing in?

    Post by zin on Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:03 pm

    http://utau.wikia.com/wiki/UTAU_wiki:Japanese_Language_and_Culture

    here it says that mass media are using the Tokyo dialect, and its the standard dialect in the nation and is the one taught overseas

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    Re: what dialect of japanese are our utaus singing in?

    Post by Guest on Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:07 pm

    That however refers to the language, not pronunciation of individual syllables.
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    Re: what dialect of japanese are our utaus singing in?

    Post by zin on Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:29 pm

    eh w/e i give up on this thread =3
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    Re: what dialect of japanese are our utaus singing in?

    Post by 산쇼씨 (Sansyo-ssi) on Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:26 pm

    Aster Selene wrote:I learned a lot of my pronunciation from Korean karaoke bars.
    When they play Japanese songs, they show a han'gul transliteration on top to match up.

    Notably, か is actually 까. I expected this, though.

    Something about つ and ち - are they the same as 투 and 티? I think they are. I'm not sure. I know ふ is the same as 후 though. However I see Korean transliterating it as 쭈 and 치 (at least in some cases). So it confuses me sometimes.

    (As a result of this, several phoenemes in Hana's bank are likely off.)

    か either sounds like 가 or 까... it depends if you do lazy pronounciation or not. EVE; Like a lot of people pronounce ㄱ as a "g" all of the time-- instead of pronouncing it "k" when it's by itself and "g" when theres a consonant sound before it... (aka, "properly")

    I tend to see people who speak both languages fluently write う as 으 instead of 우 though. (The japanese pronounciation can sound like either one, it depends on the word, I think)

    I usually see つ and ち written as 쯔/츠 and 찌/치, the "ts" sound is lazily pronounced ㅉ though

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    Re: what dialect of japanese are our utaus singing in?

    Post by Guest on Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:30 pm

    Someone on TVtropes identified う as a sort of thing that’s not supposed to be pronounced at all when it’s a standalone vowel, so I’d classify it more along the lines of 으 in-between and at the end of words and 우 as a standalone.

    I don’t do lazy Korean pronunciation – it’s awkward to say it lazily since I’m Fail Korean. OTL Although I prolly unintentionally pronounce a lot of my vowels wrong.

    “Lazyㅉ” made it a little easier to visualize.

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