UTAU entry on WineHQ AppDB

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    UTAU entry on WineHQ AppDB

    Post by Catgirl on Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:15 am

    The fact that UTAU doesn't work with Wine is a well known fact...
    And since I am a fulltime Linux user, having to deal with virtual machines and all to use UTAU is hindering me a lot in the completion of my own voicebank (along with having a unripe doo-doo covered banana laptop that lets in, like, static noise of DOOM in my soundcard when AC is plugged in. But that's a whole other matter...)

    So, I was frustrated and I got stubborn to know why it doesn't work and started messing around.
    I managed to understand that most things actually work. The point where it fails is when it has to find the temporary wav files created by the resampler in order to play them (and those files ARE created correctly in the cache dir, with the correct pitch variations and all). My guess is that something goes wrong in some string encoding/decoding, and it can't find the files it just created because it gets the names wrong.

    Anyway~ while searching for clues, I realized there was no entry for UTAU in the WineHQ Application Database. Obviously, no one can expect a problem with Wine to be fixed if the Wine developers don't even know there's a problem at all.

    I filed an entry on the AppDB, you can find it here -> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=21568

    I'll also file a bug report as soon as I figure out the procedure and what they need to know for a valid report.
    I filed it http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24638
    I also realized I wrote a couple of things wrong in the test report, but I can't edit it ^^; *note to self: Never file a test report in the middle of the night*

    I encourage everyone who uses a non-Windows system to register to the AppDB and vote for it, (and/or post comments and/or submit new test results on your own, if you have something new to add).
    To Mac users, I know a possible native Mac port has been mentioned some time ago, but consider doing it anyway, ok? Wink

    I hope some developers will notice it and look into the problem soon or later.


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    Re: UTAU entry on WineHQ AppDB

    Post by LupinAKAFlashTH2 on Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:32 pm

    ...You want to know how much I love you for this? -Just switched to Ubuntu Linux-

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    Post by Aster Selene on Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:59 pm

    I don't like UTAU-Mac mainly because Mac does not support locale changes.

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    Re: UTAU entry on WineHQ AppDB

    Post by zin on Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:54 pm

    but i think mac doesn't have the need for locale changes... i am guessing that utau mac will be written in english programing with a japanese gui

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    Post by Aster Selene on Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:55 pm

    Nope.
    Voicebank files when unzipped still result in mojibake.
    Same for UST files, .txt files, and anything else with Japanese characters.

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    Re: UTAU entry on WineHQ AppDB

    Post by zin on Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:58 pm

    i am guessing now that is what they are trying to fix?
    (did i miss something like utamac's release i knew about the annoucement.)

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    Post by Aster Selene on Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:59 pm

    No, there is no release.
    Just the fact that Macs cannot handle Japanese.

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    Re: UTAU entry on WineHQ AppDB

    Post by zin on Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:00 pm

    then why is it sold in japan O_O...

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    Re: UTAU entry on WineHQ AppDB

    Post by Aster Selene on Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:01 pm

    Because Japanese computers are sold to Japanese interests.
    Maybe I could work it in Japanese if I changed my entire computer to Japanese, but I can't do that since I wouldn't be able to understand anything.

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    Re: UTAU entry on WineHQ AppDB

    Post by LupinAKAFlashTH2 on Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:13 pm

    ...dude.
    Out of all my experience with working with a mac...
    I know you can change a macs locale setting.
    http://www.mathworks.com/support/solutions/en/data/1-4TMMPH/index.html?solution=1-4TMMPH

    This is how.

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    Post by Aster Selene on Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:14 pm

    This changes the whole language though...
    I don't want to get confused.

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    Re: UTAU entry on WineHQ AppDB

    Post by zin on Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:17 pm

    make a cheat sheet and switch back and forth...

    take screenshots know where to click and what icons to recognize in the english version.
    store the english screenshots on a handheld device or on the desktop...

    thats what i did for my ipod touch...


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    Re: UTAU entry on WineHQ AppDB

    Post by Aster Selene on Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:17 pm

    NOT WORTH IT.

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    Post by zin on Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:17 pm

    eh =3

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    Post by LupinAKAFlashTH2 on Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:18 pm

    Please realize there's a "CHANGE LOCALE" and a "CHANGE LANGUAGE UI".

    Change Locale = Locale

    Change Language UI = Change language INTERFACE. o_o

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    Re: UTAU entry on WineHQ AppDB

    Post by Catgirl on Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:36 am

    Hmmmm. I believe there's a little confusion. Don't think that Mac localization and Windows localization work the same... Internationalization support in Windows is made of poopie, IMHO.

    I just had a little talk with one of my friends who studies IT engineering like me, and he is a Mac user. I've asked him about the Mac locale, and for what I could understand, he confirmed my thoughts that it works somewhat similarly to the Linux desktop environments (which is understandable, since Mac is, after all, a Unix system and Linux Is Not UniX but it works pretty much the same).

    In theory, Macs use Unicode encoding by default, and if you make an application for Mac, you're supposed to include language localization in a dedicated localization folder. You can install support for more languages in your system, and put them in an order of preference. Once the application runs, it will select the first language it can use between the supported system languages in order of preference. So, as long as you have installed the Japanese support (doesn't need to be the default locale), if the application only supports Japanese, it will go through your supported language list, find Japanese and use that. If you don't have Jap in your list, I'm not sure, but I guess it will either throw an error or output gibberish.

    (then don't ask me where you can edit that preference list, I don't have a Mac so I don't know)

    That works if and only if the application is written in compliance with the system's standards, of course. If not, it might cause problems.
    That said, if the way it works is similar enough to Linux, it could be possible to force the language environment on the application through command line. If it works, it should be easy to make/modify the desktop shortcut so that it calls the application with the correct language variable.
    I couldn't discuss this with my friend because he hadn't time, anyway we can try this little test.

    - Open a command line terminal and paste this command:

    Code:
    locale
    This *should* output your default locale variables and character encoding.
    If this command outputs a LANG variable, then I'm pretty confident that it is possible to force the language settings on an application by calling

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    LANG="ja_JP.utf-8" applicationexecutable

    (ja_JP is the language locale, utf-8 is the character encoding of the filesystem, it should be the same as those outputted by the 'locale' command)

    This is actually how I force Japanese locale on Wine, but it also works for native apps in Linux, and I guess it will most likely work on Mac too.

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