After putting myself on a lack-of-sleep-induced bitchy rant on Twitter last night (which I sincerely apologize about), it's some to my attention there is still a serious misunderstanding regarding what's going on between us and them.

The Naver forums are by default user-locked and as far as I know it's impossible to unlock the entire forums themselves, just individual topics (which I profess even I have no idea how to unlock those). The only redistribution issue we've had was when they believed we were redistributing publicly distributed UST files, which we weren't doing. Still, the situation was misinterpreted as then being clingy and unwilling to let us have them.

As to the separation of the communities understand that the language barrier is a large issue. There is nothing stopping us from making overseas Naver accounts and joining them but that, and likewise many of them can't speak English. Currently I'm trying to extend an invitation for them to come join the forums but I can't speak Korean. Likewise I encourage many here to make Naver accounts and try to talk to them, and I will assist anyone who needs help making an account.

Also, I would like to explain the situation regarding user-locked threads and redistribution and encourage then to give us access, but once again I cannot speak Korean. I would appreciate assistance.

KANGDANIM, Rukia-nim, and Hong-t-nim are currently trying to help us bridge the communities, and Sansyo-nim and I have Naver accounts. Please remember that they are overseas users too.

Ttubi-nim also registered here, but she can hardly speak English. Yup, it's a Language barrier ㅠㅠ.
If i heard(read??) right, Ttubi-nim will release her voicebank on NND soon, and she is also going to distribute her USTs again. well, she didn't say exactly 'where', but i hope she meant both, here and KUUC.

What we use(and maybe you would use) is the google translate thing, and it goes so awful because of some grammer and/or spelling mistakes. Well, i think that's one of the problems.

Yes, if you need any help in something related to Korean website or language, I would be so happy to help you!!


Plus plus. if you register KUUC, you will see some cute people trying to speak in English!! seriously they are so cute

Haha, I already registered an account and someone said she just took an English test and didn't want to speak of her score. ^^

Yeah that was fun lol aren't they so cute???

Anyway I just want to be able to communicate and not be so isolated from each other so...I'll make some statements

I'll just throw this out there, but seeing all the drama leftover on Twitter last night really depressed me. I had recently seen the Korean community's reaction to my Matryoshka UST thanks to Aster and they all seemed really grateful... I honestly can't see them being that possessive about their own USTs without any reason if they act so pleased and excited when we release ours.

I will be watching this topic. If anything happens like on Twitter, if it gets down to insults, this thread will be locked and a public apology to the Korean community will be made. We've already mildly screwed up our relationship with Japan in many ways, don't let us do it to the rest of Asia, guys.

(Someone asked about what I said above on Skype, so I'll clarify: in terms of 'mildly ruining relationships' I'm talking mainly with the sheer amount of crappily made lame attempts of UTAUs posted on nico with base edit designs that just ASK for trolling, and I guess moreso the MMD community stuff going on since I know some users have been guilty of MMD stuff too. Oh, and we also ticked off VO, though they're not necessarily Asian-only of course, they are another online community and we can't forget that.)

Uh...i don't know what to say. I've read most of Twitter things, and now i feel so weird. So i don't know what i will write, please filter them...thanks.

What I think about That UST issue is, since they are new to be redistributed overseas, you should've ask them for agreement.. but HonG-t did little too much reaction. I think she could just notify that Ttubi's angry, but she became too emotional. So, both guilty.(just my judgement.. you may think differently.)


And, as i said above, Ttubi-nim will release her voicebank on NND soon, and she is also going to distribute her USTs again. well, she didn't say exactly 'where', but i hope she meant both, here and KUUC.

At least I, and hopefully other Koreans, want to have a good relationship with this forum. thanks.

KANGDANIM I apologize for the twitter drama and I hope it doesn't offend you.

I think the issue was that they weren't used to hardcore redistribution rather than forum post linking and it caused overreaction. As far as I know, Ttubi-nim didn't know I was only linking to posts and not hard-redistributing, and the fact she plans to distribute helps her case. But HonG-t I think is worrying a bit too much about what we're doing ><

What the hell have we done to Japan to screw up that relationship? .____.

Japan is INCREDIBLY supportive of Overseas UTAU -- a HELL of a lot more than Overseas is supportive of /Japanese/ UTAU -- so if anything's stressed it's one sided. ._.

Annnnnywho, it's not like this is the first time this has happened with the Korean community though. .___. I don't remember exactly what went down (orz bad memory = bad argument orz if anyone knows what had happened let me know XD It was like in May/June), but like, during my first month here in the fandom, I remember CLEARLY that something like this had happened and Korea had been acting like a bunch of snobs...

Now you see, I would like for us all to get along -- UTAU is a program for making friends and stuff like that, but the thing is, I'm not going to sit here and let double standards fly without feeling irked or having my opinion of them drop. Like Myst said, they seem ALL fine and dandy to use OUR usts, but when we use theirs, a doggy-woggie-poo is flipped? That's the most doublestandard bullshit I've ever heard. ._.

Though I think at this point you're beginning to blow a small argument on twitter way out of hand. ._. Like, I don't think this thread was necessary, and certainly you have no need to be offended, because twitter arguments happen ALL the time. XD It was a small problem, everybody is over it, and the relations between us are going to go back to what they were (stressed or otherwise) regardless of this thread or not.

Also, I'm not saying this out of spite by any means, but I really don't consider the Korean community overseas. XD; By all technical means they are, but Korea has their own community -- furthermore, they spend more time interacting with the JP community rather than the overseas community, so it's hard to associate with people who have nothing to do with us. XD They do their own thing, so I consider them their own comm.

For language barriers, I recommend www.livemocha.com I know this is kind of random, but it's a free language learning site. And it might help ALL language users. OUO; just thought I'd throw it out there.

@ mention of UTAU users using JP UTAU

If I COULD then I would use them, My old laptop will not support it, Not even with Jap locale. :c

Same problem for VCV/Korean VBS. ORZ..I DL them and there is something in the OTO or Files that breaks my UTAU trust me If I could use them, I would. There are so many I want.

ㅎvㅎ;; *Glad he only talks about UTAU in forums*

Korean users and English users have a different mentallity when it comes to stuff like this. From what I've seen most english users are eager to share USTs in attempt to get more known/popular (by spreading their name along with their UST... however this causes problems when people don't "credit" the maker.)
Most Korean users- When they finish a UST, they keep it, because it's their own hard work, and don't want strangers to take credit, and share it mainly with only people that they know. (This causes problems when a UST is made known to people that the maker doesnt know however-- andthelanguagebarrierhardlyhelpsatallbtw)

So its not that koreans are "snobby" or "low-standard" likescarfusaidhnnngg;;; its just different ways of thinking.

Saying Japan supports overseas utau is an understatement btw. There's people that enjoy foreign banks, and then theres people that troll or ignore them... But I'm not saying nico users are against overseas either. (It's about equal both ways imo)

...And the korean community is just as overseas the english. Theres about the same number of users that actually speak japanese in both communities. The way scarfu said it, I could easily say "English isn't overseas, they mainly keep to themselves or interract with japan than talk to korea"

English =/= THE Overseas community

... ... ... ... ㅎvㅎ;;;
/alwayscontradictingscarfuplz;;;

I wasn't implying that English = the overseas community. XD

But what I mean by the overseas community is basically this forum right here. There are people ALL over the world in this forum, henceforth overseas. ._.

I figured it was a different mindset thing, but the thing is you can't expect to have people NOT get upset, you know? XD They're so willing to use ours but not distribute theirs? It may be their personal choice but people's NATURAL response's to that are to think of that community as snobs. XD;

Also I'd like to state I'm not fighting with anyone! ;w; People in this fandom tend to take debating as fighting which .. oxo [/flops on sansyo ;w;]

scarfu wrote:
But what I mean by the overseas community is basically this forum right here. There are people ALL over the world in this forum, henceforth overseas. ._.

Mostly-English-speaking community, you mean.

The French have their own forum too. So are they also not overseas? The Koreans aren't the only ones to have a "separate" feeling community, not by far ;u; In fact we're more in touch with them than the French one, I bet.

And from what I see so far, this was a localized incident. Maybe 3-5 people involved in withdrawing distribution. That doesn't count as an entire forum or an entire country.

But then I am uneducated in the incident as a whole, I only know what I've observed on here and Twitter.

Hoowwwwwever, if it's true, with that logic, because Reni withdrew distribution of one of her USTs that she requested not be used with Tei, and Luna has made anti-Tei stamps in response to her release, then OBVIOUSLYYYY the entire overseas community thinks Tei is a -bad thing-.

(I apologize for using you guys as examples but it was the first thing that came to mind orz)

Of course now I must correct one of my statements from before. I know many of the Japanese are supportive of overseas banks and overseas users, but there are still the trolls, and there will always be the trolls. But that also points to grouping together an entire community as one single mindset is inaccurate. There are users who think one way, and users who think another way, and sometimes they come in conflict. Like now, OTL

OTL I sound so scatterbrained editing so much... forming thoughts into posts is difficult when one has had 3 hours of sleep the night before...

Thank you Syo-nim and Myst >< I'm having problems articulating what I want to say lately...

And last time I checked the majority are willing to share and distribute their work, it's not like they're all holding back their work as a whole. So you can't just call them collectively hypocritical or snobbish.

And they are overseas. Because being on this mainly English-speaking forum doesn't define us as Overseas.

Oh, and insulting them only gives them reason to hate us because it makes conflict worse. I think KANGDANIM's hurt by the drama so...

ouo; thought;

NVM stupid:

have we tried getting in contact with over seas [France, Italy, Korea, Japan ect, to try to maybe get a translation of the major threads of forums [theirs and/or ours] so that other users make it more accessible or something?

Sorry stupid thoughtnvm ORZ