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    UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by Orochi Herman on Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:37 pm

    Most of the serious problems I encounter with UTAU voicebanks is how they are named. In Japanese.

    So I'm taking this matter to grassroots level, so that any problem like that should be made known before the UTAUloid is exposed to the community, at which point name changes are not practical anymore.

    To fix that, me and Damesukekun, a Japanese linguist hanging out in UTAU Wiki, are trying to come up with some sort of guide so problems like that are prevented from the beginning. But it's not perfect, so we need a bit of help. It's for your own good too.

    http://utau.wikia.com/wiki/UTAU_wiki:UTAUloid_Naming_And_Profiling

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    Re: UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by mystsaphyr on Fri Apr 09, 2010 5:16 pm

    Orochi Herman wrote:Most of the serious problems I encounter with UTAU voicebanks is how they are named. In Japanese.

    So I'm taking this matter to grassroots level, so that any problem like that should be made known before the UTAUloid is exposed to the community, at which point name changes are not practical anymore.

    To fix that, me and Damesukekun, a Japanese linguist hanging out in UTAU Wiki, are trying to come up with some sort of guide so problems like that are prevented from the beginning. But it's not perfect, so we need a bit of help. It's for your own good too.

    http://utau.wikia.com/wiki/UTAU_wiki:UTAUloid_Naming_And_Profiling

    I can't thank you enough for this. I've always been unsure of Aiko's last name (mostly since it was originally supposed to mean "balloon sound" in the sense of helium balloon, because of how her voice sounded in "Melt," but I used the wrong word and apparently got "hot-air balloon" instead) but I've stuck with it... having a naming guide like this is extremely helpful though for future reference.

    Also, I've been meaning to ask you, are you the one who changed Aiko's profile at one point with the added "sound of the soul" interperetation of her name? Or was it Damesukekun? Because I had no idea it could mean that xD;

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    Re: UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by Orochi Herman on Fri Apr 09, 2010 5:23 pm

    That was either me or Damesukekun. I forgot, it's been a long time. XD It's only us two who either assigns a proper Japanese name or corrects interpretations according to what the author is trying to convey.

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    Re: UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by Nanashi_Zokune on Fri Apr 09, 2010 5:51 pm

    i have a hard time coming up with names, so i tend to go with a favorite character name and start up a guessing game for people XD (nanashi comes from MAR my fav character). i truely suck with names... yoru helped me for the last name i wanted nanashi to be somewhat rebelious so zokune(rebel sound. rock 'n roll! oh yeah!) popped up.

    his personality is even polar opposite of me XD i'm shy he's loud and obnoxious, i get nervous and uber quiet around girls (irl) he's smooth and cool with the ladies~

    i think my character is just fine despite having like a generic japanese name and i can always create another if i want to be more original Razz

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    Re: UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by Crossfrown on Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:46 pm

    I just give my characters vague nicknames and give their actual names in the README. |D

    Except Lavan, him being a mysterious faceless creature and all. I think giving him a name would take away the magic.

    They all have western names, even if they only sing in Japanese...

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    Re: UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by 산쇼씨 (Sansyo-ssi) on Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:24 am

    Aha~

    If there has to be one thing I hate,
    it's people making a name using TWO different alphabets at once. (Mixing Chinese characters and kana in a surname, It makes as much sense as somebody having a name with numbers in it. *A*;Wink

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    Re: UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by Crossfrown on Sat Apr 10, 2010 12:18 pm

    I saw someone do that and I just boggled for all my worth.
    NAME ENTIRELY IN KANJI EXCEPT FOR HIRAGANA IN THE SURNAME WHAT IS THIS


    Oh yeah, there's a problem with meaningful names that have no meaning. Take Kanagirikowane Seun for example.
    His name means screech tone.
    His voice is very soft and smooth, with a nice clarity and cute accent. No screeching or squeaking. Whatsoever.
    NO ONE needs that many kanji in their name. Hell, no one needs a name that long in the first place. When my only way of getting his name is copy-paste because it's too damn long to type from reference, you have a naming problem!

    I wanted him so bad but as soon as I saw his name I went 'well fuck that'. Even if he's the ideal shota voicebank I refuse to touch him.

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    Re: UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by Aisu on Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:16 pm

    What about names like SF-A2 Miki, CT-S4 Kouhei and aGi-9 Mayu?

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    Re: UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by Lenexia on Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:32 pm

    Crossfrown wrote:I saw someone do that and I just boggled for all my worth.
    NAME ENTIRELY IN KANJI EXCEPT FOR HIRAGANA IN THE SURNAME WHAT IS THIS

    What then about names that are supposed to be Katakana?
    Tuwai Raitone comes from the word Tuwairaito which means Twilight in Katakana. She has no Kanji in her name, except that Ne part.

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    Re: UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by 산쇼씨 (Sansyo-ssi) on Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:43 pm

    Sourbet wrote:What about names like SF-A2 Miki, CT-S4 Kouhei and aGi-9 Mayu?

    fjskfjkkfsssk

    I mean like, name names. Those aren't things you'd name an actual person. orz;;
    You don't mix alphabets when you write a name, the same way you shouldn't name your child "M4ri Su3"

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    Re: UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by Crossfrown on Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:59 pm

    Lenexia wrote:
    Crossfrown wrote:I saw someone do that and I just boggled for all my worth.
    NAME ENTIRELY IN KANJI EXCEPT FOR HIRAGANA IN THE SURNAME WHAT IS THIS

    What then about names that are supposed to be Katakana?
    Tuwai Raitone comes from the word Tuwairaito which means Twilight in Katakana. She has no Kanji in her name, except that Ne part.

    Japanese names are not based on foreign words, so it would still be complete nonsense.
    Kanji+kana/Kanji+Kanji format or completely katakana. Pick one.

    I just realized UTAU usually have a katakana first name just like Vocaloids, hadurp

    For future reference, トァ = Twa, meaning it would be written Twai (トァイ), not Tuwai (トゥワイ).


    As for SF-A2 Miki, CT-S4 Kouhei and aGi-9 Mayu...those are robot names, why would you even ask such an obvious question.

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    Re: UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by xLei on Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:06 pm

    PFFT Vista only uses Hiragana and Katakana versions of her name for obvious reasons.

    Because she's an android and has no real Japanese related name whatsoever 8D

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    Re: UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by 어리싸 라커씨(EorissaRakeo-ssi) on Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:15 pm

    Ive always worried about my utaloids.
    None of their names... can be made into kanji/hiragana and stuff.
    like ummm
    Lullaby Yuju
    Rhapsody Yuju
    Persephone Heartless
    Arissa Roth
    Bade Nal

    ._. Ive always worried that they would be disliked when it came to people that love to put the names into Japanese ._. I was yelled at once for lullaby's name a long time ago so I was wondering... what was though of them?

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    Re: UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by Sparky on Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:20 pm

    Mine are named after fish.

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    Re: UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by 어리싸 라커씨(EorissaRakeo-ssi) on Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:21 pm

    Sparky wrote:Mine are named after fish.
    Really I didnt know that o_o then again i didnt know your utau's names XD

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    Re: UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by Orochi Herman on Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:57 pm

    Arissa-chan wrote:Ive always worried about my utaloids.
    None of their names... can be made into kanji/hiragana and stuff.
    like ummm
    Lullaby Yuju
    Rhapsody Yuju
    Persephone Heartless
    Arissa Roth
    Bade Nal

    ._. Ive always worried that they would be disliked when it came to people that love to put the names into Japanese ._. I was yelled at once for lullaby's name a long time ago so I was wondering... what was though of them?

    IMO, the only trouble for these is Yuju. You don't need to give UTAUloids Japanese names to make them popular. (case in point, Anaka and Camilia.)

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    Re: UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by 어리싸 라커씨(EorissaRakeo-ssi) on Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:01 am

    Orochi Herman wrote:
    Arissa-chan wrote:Ive always worried about my utaloids.
    None of their names... can be made into kanji/hiragana and stuff.
    like ummm
    Lullaby Yuju
    Rhapsody Yuju
    Persephone Heartless
    Arissa Roth
    Bade Nal

    ._. Ive always worried that they would be disliked when it came to people that love to put the names into Japanese ._. I was yelled at once for lullaby's name a long time ago so I was wondering... what was though of them?

    IMO, the only trouble for these is Yuju. You don't need to give UTAUloids Japanese names to make them popular. (case in point, Anaka and Camilia.)

    Its not being popular thats the problem i mean sephie is popular all on her own. its the drama of getting yelled at over stupid things ^^;; I love my utauloids and making them is so much fun. Its the people that are morons im worried about XD

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    Re: UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by Orochi Herman on Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:12 am

    Arissa-chan wrote:
    Orochi Herman wrote:
    Arissa-chan wrote:Ive always worried about my utaloids.
    None of their names... can be made into kanji/hiragana and stuff.
    like ummm
    Lullaby Yuju
    Rhapsody Yuju
    Persephone Heartless
    Arissa Roth
    Bade Nal

    ._. Ive always worried that they would be disliked when it came to people that love to put the names into Japanese ._. I was yelled at once for lullaby's name a long time ago so I was wondering... what was though of them?

    IMO, the only trouble for these is Yuju. You don't need to give UTAUloids Japanese names to make them popular. (case in point, Anaka and Camilia.)

    Its not being popular thats the problem i mean sephie is popular all on her own. its the drama of getting yelled at over stupid things ^^;; I love my utauloids and making them is so much fun. Its the people that are morons im worried about XD

    Well you made the UTAUloids simply because you enjoy it, not to please morons. Razz Having Japanese names in your UTAUloid does not make you a weaboo.

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    Re: UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by 어리싸 라커씨(EorissaRakeo-ssi) on Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:13 am

    Orochi Herman wrote:
    Arissa-chan wrote:
    Orochi Herman wrote:
    Arissa-chan wrote:Ive always worried about my utaloids.
    None of their names... can be made into kanji/hiragana and stuff.
    like ummm
    Lullaby Yuju
    Rhapsody Yuju
    Persephone Heartless
    Arissa Roth
    Bade Nal

    ._. Ive always worried that they would be disliked when it came to people that love to put the names into Japanese ._. I was yelled at once for lullaby's name a long time ago so I was wondering... what was though of them?

    IMO, the only trouble for these is Yuju. You don't need to give UTAUloids Japanese names to make them popular. (case in point, Anaka and Camilia.)

    Its not being popular thats the problem i mean sephie is popular all on her own. its the drama of getting yelled at over stupid things ^^;; I love my utauloids and making them is so much fun. Its the people that are morons im worried about XD

    Well you made the UTAUloids simply because you enjoy it, not to please morons. Razz Having Japanese names in your UTAUloid does not make you a weaboo.

    =D Your right ^^ thank you.

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    Re: UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by Misha on Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:40 am

    This isn't really a question or anything, but I would just like to say thank you to you and Damesuke for helping out with Hachi's name ~
    I was no doubt violating copyright laws with what I had before ;A;

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    Re: UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by digikari on Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:24 pm

    I've always had a hard time naming things.

    I made my UTAU a long time ago so I guess I just named her something very random. I only know what her surname means but I'm trying to think of a meaning for her first name lol.

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    Re: UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by mintie on Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:10 am

    oh that page was really helpful when I was planning my first UTAU... I really like Kirin's name xD

    but i worry if Japanese people take her name meaning a Giraffe and not a qilin/chinese unicorn o_O

    and before i knew of Touhou I picked Kirisame as her surname, so even though I like it I'm not sure if ppl think I'm copying names or something O_O;

    *worry too much in general*

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    Re: UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by Crossfrown on Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:17 am

    mintie wrote:oh that page was really helpful when I was planning my first UTAU... I really like Kirin's name xD

    but i worry if Japanese people take her name meaning a Giraffe and not a qilin/chinese unicorn o_O

    and before i knew of Touhou I picked Kirisame as her surname, so even though I like it I'm not sure if ppl think I'm copying names or something O_O;

    *worry too much in general*

    In Blazer Drive, it's romanized as Qilin, and most likely uses Katakana.
    So it's not like it's entirely unheard of.

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    Re: UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by 산쇼씨 (Sansyo-ssi) on Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:19 am

    Eh eh eh?
    I always thought it was "Kirin"
    Because that's how Korean and Japanese people say it. eAe;;

    "Qilin" in Chinese romanization rules, would be pronounced "Chee-leen" eAe;

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    Re: UTAUloid Naming and Profiling

    Post by Orochi Herman on Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:21 am

    Kirisame is okay for a surname.

    I can help in the surname making and then just doublecheck it with Damesuke in the wiki.

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