KEI Style VS One's Own

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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by Aster Selene on Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:03 pm

    So you're saying I need to go find a commissioner who doesn't draw KEI-style and likely won't get the concept of UTAU and the requirements needed for a boxart picture.

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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by Zeny on Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:05 pm

    Aster Selene wrote:So you're saying I need to go find a commissioner who doesn't draw KEI-style and likely won't get the concept of UTAU and the requirements needed for a boxart picture.

    >Implying one has to draw KEI style to understand UTAU

    No, go ahead and commission someone who does KEI style. I'm just saying I'd go for someone with a totally different style to stand out.

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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by Aster Selene on Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:07 pm

    I'm not implying one has to draw KEI-style to understand UTAU.

    (It's more of the converse, actually. Most of the artists who understand UTAU and do boxart draw KEI-style - I have yet to see someone willing to do boxart for someone who draws in a different style.)

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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by Zeny on Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:11 pm

    Aster Selene wrote:I'm not implying one has to draw KEI-style to understand UTAU.

    (It's more of the converse, actually. Most of the artists who understand UTAU and do boxart draw KEI-style - I have yet to see someone willing to do boxart for someone who draws in a different style.)

    And I have yet to see someone who requests UTAU art in a different style.

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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by Aster Selene on Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:14 pm

    Now that I think about it, it's not just art. Whenever people update their voicebanks, they seem to use either Rin/Len's "act" system or Miku's "append" system...

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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by Mathieu on Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:15 pm

    Okie dokie guys... simmer down now please. XD

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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by Aster Selene on Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:15 pm

    Yeah...you have a point; we need to cool it a bit and continue the discussion in a much calmer way :D

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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by Zeny on Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:16 pm

    Mathieu wrote:Okie dokie guys... simmer down now please. XD

    No worries mate, I think we were all being calm. Smile

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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by Mathieu on Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:18 pm

    Zeny wrote:
    Mathieu wrote:Okie dokie guys... simmer down now please. XD

    No worries mate, I think we were all being calm. Smile

    XD... I just couldn't resist the SNL reference... It wasn't getting bad but I just wanted to give a reminder. :3

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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by Aster Selene on Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:20 pm

    Oh dear...

    /EDIT: Do I have permission to hit Mathieu over the head with a hammer for that?

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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by Kageku on Sat May 01, 2010 1:32 am

    To be honest, when I first got into UTAU, I thought that I was supposed to do KEI style for my UTAU..(Even though it came out looking like a totally different style) Since I saw a lot of other people doing it.. XD That, and I personally like the style.

    So I don't think it matters really what style people do it in, as long as it's what they want. On a side note, I really like Syo's style particularly for UTAU.^^

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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by Crossfrown on Sat May 01, 2010 1:41 am

    >implying implications

    The Act system is convenient and the Append expansions are even moreso. :B

    I tend to ignore KEI-style characters, TBH. They usually have crapsack voices and bland designs, unless the KEI style is reeeaaaaally good (like Onaneko's stuff).

    Unfortunately, concerning Vocaloid, KEI has the clearest, most detailed design of all, so people are bound to follow it.

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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by Aster Selene on Sat May 01, 2010 1:43 am

    I'm trying to go for maluquinho5, who's also very skilled (he did work for Satoko, Neko, and Camila)...

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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by Karasu on Sat May 01, 2010 12:00 pm

    i draw on KEI style because i don't have a tablet, i draw with mouse, so drawing in KEI style with the mouse is easy to me than other styles, and i really like KEI style.

    sorry for my bad english xD

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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by mintie on Sat May 01, 2010 12:24 pm

    I mixed my style with KEI's when doing Kirin's official art, so I really like it, lol

    But I do love when people do art in their own personal style. I suppose it's "brave" for them to stand out in a thing where usually UTAU are drawn KEI style.

    For me, I just started coloring after I got my tablet a few months ago so I am using all kinds of coloring styles Smile

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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by Misha on Sat May 01, 2010 3:38 pm

    OK, for your UTAU's concept art, I think KEI is the way to go. 
    It's clean, and allows for a lot of detail to be shown. 
    But after that, feel free to draw your covers and such in your own style : )

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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by xLei on Sat May 01, 2010 3:49 pm

    I like KEI but I'm just really looking for someone who's willing to draw a full body reference of Vista.

    That's all I really got to say roflmao


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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by Aster Selene on Sat May 01, 2010 3:50 pm

    xLei wrote:I like KEI but I'm just really looking for someone who's willing to draw a full body reference of Vista.

    Someday, when my drawing skills extend beyond lineart...

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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by xLei on Sat May 01, 2010 3:53 pm

    Aster Selene wrote:
    xLei wrote:I like KEI but I'm just really looking for someone who's willing to draw a full body reference of Vista.

    Someday, when my drawing skills extend beyond lineart...

    Don't worry, I can't color worth shit :3

    And my style seems to be a mix of Peach-Pit/Naoko Takeuchi instead O_o;;

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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by Aster Selene on Sat May 01, 2010 3:55 pm

    xLei wrote:Don't worry, I can't color worth shit :3

    And my style seems to be a mix of Peach-Pit/Naoko Takeuchi instead O_o;;

    ...My style is just...improvised. Originally was an imitation of my friend chrystalclear's, but it kinda branched.

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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by xLei on Sat May 01, 2010 3:57 pm

    I think I developed that style because I won so much manga from Naoko Takuechi (creator of Sailor Moon) and Peach-Pit (creators of DearS, Rozen Maiden, Zombie Loan and Shugo Chara!) and because I was always such a fan of their works.

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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by Zeny on Sat May 01, 2010 4:00 pm

    Misha wrote:OK, for your UTAU's concept art, I think KEI is the way to go. 
    It's clean, and allows for a lot of detail to be shown. 
    But after that, feel free to draw your covers and such in your own style : )

    To be fair though, any given style can be detailed if it's the way that person draws. So why just KEI?

    The idea is to make one's style expressive no matter what kind it is and allow it to convey it's message. For example, I know my style will look a lot different in comparison to yours. You have a more detailed, consistent style versus my toony inconsistent one, but they both pull off what they need to.

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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by Misha on Sat May 01, 2010 4:43 pm

    Zeny wrote:
    Misha wrote:OK, for your UTAU's concept art, I think KEI is the way to go. 
    It's clean, and allows for a lot of detail to be shown. 
    But after that, feel free to draw your covers and such in your own style : )

    To be fair though, any given style can be detailed if it's the way that person draws. So why just KEI?

    The idea is to make one's style expressive no matter what kind it is and allow it to convey it's message. For example, I know my style will look a lot different in comparison to yours. You have a more detailed, consistent style versus my toony inconsistent one, but they both pull off what they need to.

    LOL at consistent. My art is anything but xDD

    Look, I see what your saying, but overall, when people are using your concept art, they don't want to get confused on any part of your UTAU. It's rather, uh, frustrating ( not really the word but... ) when you don't feel like you drew the UTAU correctly.
    It's just a matter of being as clear and concise as possible, and I believe KEI style works better at this.
    However, if you believe that you can work every detail on your style, then go for it. ( Just... not to much detail xD )

    It's just a belief of mine that KEI is optimum for concept art.

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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by Zeny on Sat May 01, 2010 5:21 pm

    Misha wrote:
    Zeny wrote:
    Misha wrote:OK, for your UTAU's concept art, I think KEI is the way to go. 
    It's clean, and allows for a lot of detail to be shown. 
    But after that, feel free to draw your covers and such in your own style : )

    To be fair though, any given style can be detailed if it's the way that person draws. So why just KEI?

    The idea is to make one's style expressive no matter what kind it is and allow it to convey it's message. For example, I know my style will look a lot different in comparison to yours. You have a more detailed, consistent style versus my toony inconsistent one, but they both pull off what they need to.

    LOL at consistent. My art is anything but xDD

    Look, I see what your saying, but overall, when people are using your concept art, they don't want to get confused on any part of your UTAU. It's rather, uh, frustrating ( not really the word but... ) when you don't feel like you drew the UTAU correctly.
    It's just a matter of being as clear and concise as possible, and I believe KEI style works better at this.
    However, if you believe that you can work every detail on your style, then go for it. ( Just... not to much detail xD )

    It's just a belief of mine that KEI is optimum for concept art.

    Fair enough, I'll keep that in mind. I'll stick to the belief about original styles though, as I've always been the type who enjoys standing out.

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    Re: KEI Style VS One's Own

    Post by Guest on Sat May 01, 2010 7:43 pm

    This may sound kind of stupid, But I'd rather not have a style xD.
    Looking at my artwork on Dev you'd think I have one, but thats just from when I was trying to get a consitent one to use for 2 comic projects I was trying to get off the ground.

    I don't really want to limit myself like that. For sequential art, sure. It just makes sense to try for the same look each page. But for art in general I like to experiment with different styles and techniques. Maybe I have a differnt view on this as I mostly do realism, and not much digital art. I've notice more digitally based artists tend to be the ones who develope their own style which they stick close to.

    Im not saying that's bad but it's just not how I'd like my art to go ^^.

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